I received a dismissive, yet challenging, comment from a "mineguy," he claims he can "take down" my arguments with ease.
Okay Mineguy, I'm game. Bet you can't!
I invite you to choose from any of my Jim Steele Critiques (I include the list after my response to your revealing comment.). Then in a rational constructive manner, point out my errors and produce some evidence to support your opinion - I'd be happy to learn from you, if you can produce some rational defensible evidence.
Here let me give you an example of how it's done:
At 3:44PM, August 28, 2016, mineguy's comments:
You could just as easily complain that, me trusting that men landed and walked on the moon is the result of group think.
What's wrong with group think based on facts?
You bet I’m a true believer in the human capacity to radically and fundamentally change this Earth.
If you want organized you need to look to the Conservative Think Tanks, they got science by rhetoric and slander down to an extremely well honed PR machine. As for broadcasting their fraud against science and the people's right to know, jezz that is some amazing organization at work, and you know it. *
A brief read indicates this WUWTW site is another of the group-think anthropogenic true believers who are incredibly organized to dispute, disparage, and ‘take down’ any sane and objective contrary argument against that line of propaganda.
Find it at "LandscapesAndCycles"
“Group think” - What’s that even mean in this context?
You could just as easily complain that, me trusting that men landed and walked on the moon is the result of group think.
What's wrong with group think based on facts?
“Anthropogenic true believers” -
Again, an inane insult that doesn’t even make sense, anthropogenic what?
You bet I’m a true believer in the human capacity to radically and fundamentally change this Earth.
“incredibly organized” - Don’t we wish it!
If you want organized you need to look to the Conservative Think Tanks, they got science by rhetoric and slander down to an extremely well honed PR machine. As for broadcasting their fraud against science and the people's right to know, jezz that is some amazing organization at work, and you know it. *
“Any sane and objective argument against that line of propaganda” -
Then why don’t you present any?
This childish snottiness is just that, childish snottiness. Why not try explaining what you find so laughable? Bet you can’t !
But seriously, this whole climate science dialogue is supposed to be about constructively learning, not about malicious name calling and invoking crazy conspiracy theories.
“That line of propaganda” -
Do you know what propaganda is?
Here, I offer you an index of detailed studies into the words of Jim Steele. It’s all about including specifics and references.
If you think I’m full of it, that’s very easy to demonstrate. Bet you can’t! Quote me and show us where I’m mistaken.
That’s how civil constructive dialogue is supposed to work. Who knows, you may catch me in a mistake and we can turn that into a learning experience also.
Please “Mineguy at 3:44” insulting me is easy. Rationally explaining what I’ve gotten wrong, that’s more challenging. That's why I'm including the following background information along with an index of my extensive Jim Steele Climate Horror Show collection of critiques.
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Hmmm, mineguy never did return to backup his boast. It Appears mineguy is nothing more than another drive-by, oh so big on talk, not so good on substance. Go figure.
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The State of the Climate in 2015 report August 2016
Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society.
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State of the Climate: Record Heat and Weather Extremes
World Meteorological Organization
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State of the Climate in 2015
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Global Warming Skeptic Organizations
American Enterprise Institute
Americans for Prosperity
American Legislative Exchange Council
Beacon Hill Institute at Suffolk University
Cato Institute
Competitive Enterprise Institute
Heartland Institute
Heritage Foundation
Institute for Energy Research
Manhattan Institute for Policy Research
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A virtual debate with the absent
Jim Steele and his
Jim Steele and his
Landscapes and Cycles nonsense.
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The Heartland Institute collection:
Heartland Daily Podcast | Jim Steele | January 27, 2015
Thursday, April 2, 2015
#1 Mtn warming? - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles Debate
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Thursday, April 2, 2015
#2 Fear of Debate - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles Debate
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Thursday, April 2, 2015
#3 global temperature fallacy - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles Debate
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Saturday, April 4, 2015
#4 Temperature Homogenization - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles Debate
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Sunday, April 5, 2015
#5 Prof Trenberth stifling "sceptics" - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles Debate
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Sunday, April 5, 2015
#6 Moose and the NWF - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles Debate
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Tuesday, April 7, 2015
#7 Penguins, butterflies and consensus - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles Debate
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Sunday, April 12, 2015
#8 Mangroves, Dr. Cavanaugh, NPR's Joyce - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles debate
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Thursday, April 16, 2015
#9 Steele's heat waves and the AGW fallacy - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles Debate
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Saturday, April 25, 2015
#10 Heartland in their own words - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles Debate
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Sunday, April 26, 2015
#11 Questions for Heartland's Burnett, re Dr. Mann and more - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles Debate
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Wednesday, April 29, 2015
#12 "Pushing this global climate alarmism" - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles Debate
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Wednesday, April 29, 2015
#13 Critical Thinking and "keep the debate alive" - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles Debate
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Thursday, April 30, 2015
#14 Considering Malicious Falsehoods vs Right to Learn - CC/Steele Landscapesandcycles Debate
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Regarding Mr. Steele, dishonest internet sniping and such...
June 9, 2015
Clarifying Landscapesandcycles Dishonest Internet Sniping #1
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June 10, 2015
Clarifying Landscapesandcycles Smears and Internet Sniper #2
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January 9th 2015
How climate science denialists employ the "Serenge Strategy"
January 26, 2015
Regarding the question of USHCN homogenization
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Tuesday, November 4, 2014 (Video 1a)
#A Jim Steele's IEEE Presentation: Climate and Drought: Landscape Changes vs CO2, examined
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Wednesday, November 5, 2014 (Video 1b)
#B Jim Steele's IEEE Presentation: Climate and Drought: Landscape Changes vs CO2, examined
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Monday, November 17, 2014
Considering the demarcation between valid science and pseudo-science
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Friday, November 28, 2014 (Video 2)
Droughts and Heatwaves: Ocean Oscillations vs CO2 by Jim Steele - examined
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Monday, December 1, 2014
Jim Steele, why you "cleansing" YouTube comments? W.U.W.T.?
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Tuesday, December 2, 2014
Steele's Yosemite Nat'l Park mystery temp graph? W.U.W.T.?
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Wednesday, December 3, 2014 (Video 3)
Recovering Whales, Ocean Acidification the Jim Steele Horror Story - reviewed
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Wednesday, December 10, 2014 (Video 3a)
Steele's Ocean Acidification Horror Story, a closer look.
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Saturday, December 13, 2014
What's it mean to be an honest skeptic?
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Monday, December 15, 2014
A blast from the past May 16, 2014 Steele's Arctic Ice Horror story
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Monday, December 22, 2014
Mr. Steele, time for a reality check.
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Sunday, December 28, 2014 (Video 4a)
Steele's penguin "climate horror story" YouTube series, Video 4a
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Sunday, December 28, 2014 (Video 4a)
Appendix Steele's penguin "climate horror story" YouTube series, Video 4a
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Friday, January 9, 2015
Steele's climate horror story, drowning chicks. Who says?
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Wednesday, January 14, 2015
Rejected? Request for Steele's CA temperature graphs provenance
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Yesterday I became aware of a shocking, misinformation laced "Watts Up With That" blog post written about me January 7th by our good Mr. Steele.
Considering Anthony Watts won't allow me to comment at WUWT* it seems appropriate to share this email I've just sent to Mr. Steele (among others). I won't be responding to the specifics in that contorted dishonest WUWT blog post. Although I'll be happy to answer any questions submitted to the comments sections after this open letter.
Sunday, January 25, 2015
Dear Mr. Steele, regarding your 1/7/15 WUWT post - an open letter...
* That's how WUWTW started in the first place,
me being banned by the man with the con.
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Tuesday, January 27, 2015
Peter Miesler Helps Expose USHCN Homogenization Insanity - WUWT
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Friday, January 30, 2015
Mr. Jim Steele, Can you clarify your argument?
A) That wildlife biologists working in extreme conditions and over continental landscapes make mistakes?
B) Disputing that Anthropogenic Global Warming with it's profound changing climate driven landscapes alterations causes adverse cascading consequences for wildlife and eco-systems (read our biosphere)?
Can Mr. Steele come clean and explain what his fundamental thesis is?
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Wednesday, February 4, 2015
Possessed by the idea of catastrophic climate change?
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Saturday, February 7, 2015
Jim Steele watt's up with your venomous self-indignation?
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Saturday, February 7, 2015
Defamation and lies are unacceptable part of the AGW 'debate' !
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Monday, February 9, 2015
LandscapesAndCycles blinded by belief - The straight poop on penguins indeed ¶1/6
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Recalling the early days with Mr. Jim Steele and pals.
Wednesday, March 19, 2014
Fabricating Climate Doom: looking at Jim Steele’s deception
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Friday, March 21, 2014
Of Recursive Fury, SkepticForum.com and science denialist's strategy of harassment
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Friday, March 28, 2014
Just the science of Fabricating Climate Doom: Parmesan's Butterfly Effect
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Sunday, March 30, 2014
Fabricating Climate Doom - Steele's Extreme Weather Extinctions Enron Style - examined
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Friday, April 25, 2014
Jim Steele Exploiting Human Misery and Distorting Science
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Wednesday, May 7, 2014
Years of Living Dangerously the creepy side of the internet debate
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Sunday, May 11, 2014
Anthony Watts' Dog Whistle, re Sea Level Rise
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Friday, May 16, 2014
Jim Steele this is 2014 !
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Sunday, October 19, 2014
Catmando Does Jim Steele
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November 5, 2014
#B Jim Steele's IEEE Presentation: Climate and Drought: Landscape Changes vs CO2, examined
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November 4, 2014
#A Jim Steele's IEEE Presentation: Climate and Drought: Landscape Changes vs CO2, examined
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Jim Steele proposes that landscapes and natural cycles are more powerful drivers of global warming than the atmosphere that lies between Earth and frigid outer space.
His scientific underpinning is a self-certain, but unexamined, rejection of 'CO2 science' - maintaining it's a hoax with political underpinnings, (rather than founded on over a century of solid science, including intensive post WWII atmospheric studies that lasted decades and were conducted independently by several nations. All coming up with the same answers regarding CO2 radiative properties. It's for real and Mr. Steel's self-certainty is born out of delusion.)
Jim's speciality is learning about wildlife studies with an eye towards errors in those studies. Where it gets ugly is that though he's learned about these errors and failings from wildlife scientists who were directly involved. Scientists who were aware of issues and problems and working hard to resolve them. Scientists who willingly shared their experiences, challenges and learning curve.
Where Jim gets weird is the way he slams these same individuals by portraying them as clueless shills. Where Jim gets bizarre is leaping from those shortcomings in wildlife studies to claiming it proves global warming is a hoax and that we should ignore it. An astounding chain of logic.
As for flaws in wildlife studies, the important thing is that none of this stuff was secret, it was part of the scientific community's discussion and literature. It's the stuff of science marching forward, learning from mistakes as much as from successes. Another thing to keep in mind is that wildlife studies over huge expanses of landscape are exceedingly difficult and running a perfect experiment is near impossible.
What Jim ignores is that every serious scientist, wildlife and otherwise, spends much of their time studying and assessing errors, unexpected surprises, and those '20/20 hindsight mistakes' in order to understand and learn from them.
Once I got into researching Jim's claims and contacting many of the scientists he singled out for derision I was shocked at how shabbily Jim treats the hospitality and collegial help and support he was given for his (Heartland Institute's? Anthony's?) "research" project.
I've made the effort to document Jim Steele's words and claims. I specify his errors, and then I provide the information Jim shields from his audience.
Jim keeps running away from my challenge instead preferring the shelter and comfort of his Republican/libertarian echo-chamber, where he can lash out at me with unrestrained venom and irrationality.
Since he won't debate, I challenge any of his fans to challenge my assessment of Mr. Steele's game. You think I misrepresent Steele or his claims? Where? Name calling is easy and cheap. Defining what I misrepresent is the challenge. Being able to civilly defend one's counter-claims should be easy, if you have honest facts on your side.
Where Jim gets weird is the way he slams these same individuals by portraying them as clueless shills. Where Jim gets bizarre is leaping from those shortcomings in wildlife studies to claiming it proves global warming is a hoax and that we should ignore it. An astounding chain of logic.
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